Luke initially struggled with many aspects of the force that Rey seems to pick up so easily as a beginner. He would be even more terrifying duelist if he was .. whole. The answer is simple: The Force. But what about the mind-trick? Combining this raw power with her lack of inhibitions and her emotional connection to the Force and you start to see how training is just one of many factors in becoming a Jedi. https://screenrant.com/rise-skywalker-rey-kylo-ren-fight-most-powerful Its not like Kylo Ren is going to put on a DBZ scouter and freak out when he realizes that Rey's power … So on the one side we have a skilled fighter using a weapon she's never used before trying her best to kill her opponent; and on the other side we have a seriously wounded fighter who is pulling his punches trying to subdue his opponent. Rey bests Kylo Ren thanks to a number of factors. My best advice is to stop ruining your own experience by picking Rey's character apart. (Again, he fought most of them while she only barely fought off one.) Clearly the force was a genetic thing as Luke stated that the force runs strong in his family - that of Anakin (the chosen one - the force itself personified). Rey goes before her training is complete also, and into even greater danger. Rey may have more raw power than Jaina but she doesn't have the training that Jaina does and isn't even a tenth of the combatant. So anakin was more powerful force wise because he had 27000 midichlorians and luke had 15,000. 0. One of these debates, which has caused a vast amount of controversy, relates to Rey's abilities with the Force, yet many fans might be ignoring the most obvious answer: Rey … If Rey is this powerful now and trains to become even more powerful, she's basically on the Chosen One level. Rey is included because there's no doubt that she will become one of the strongest Jedi ever. She's both jubilant after evading the enemy and puzzled by it. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo, who was nicknamed the Jedi Killer, showed a similar unwavering strength until Rey showed up in his life and made his powers look like child's play. In any case, unlike Luke, Rey actually had combat experience. Will he rule the galaxy and finally be able to kill the last Jedi — which is now Rey? I just hope to god there's a time jump between VIII and IX and Rey gets some off-screen training like Luke so that we don't have to keep having this argument. Apparently that was enough to kick vaders ass in rotj, life time of tutelage and all. Rey, on the other hand, has no such inhibition because she doesn't even know what she's doing at first. Remember that crossbow that Chewie was blasting people with? 7 Weaker Than Yoda: Exar Kun How can you think one is okay and the other not? Rey is more naturally powerful in the force than Ahsoka, who is simply a well trained Jedi with fairly average force potential as far as I can tell. Well, first of all I think this was just a way to include Daniel Craig's cameo in that movie and intended to be more humorous than anything, but there's actually two things that happened before it that might lend a clue. She was used to getting in fights to protect herself and her belongings while on Jakku. That's why Palpatine's now seemingly obsessed with her the same way Snoke was. He then scores a hit on vader who was in perfect physical emotional and spiritual health in empire strikes back without ever really having light saber practice before. 5 years ago. A spark is lit. Rey sucks. He even managed to contend with Vader for quite a while. Those are no small feats. This entire sequence mirrors the Dagobah scenes from Empire Strikes Back. But I think that about the first issue, he was always the more powerful if we compare him to his son. And she can because, wait for it...the Force is a magical power that exists in everything and everyone and certain people are sensitive to it and can tap into it whether they realize it or not. LOL! 0. (Maybe Snoke, coming from the Unknown Regions of space, was one reason the Force is awakening. Or are you referring to that lesson she had where she closed her eyes and turned to dark side, only for it to have no real importance five minutes later into movie. Luke, you do not yet realize your importance. Not my choice, believe me. It is a different style of cinema, the OT in general was less like a video game and more like real people. (I was going to say perfectly healthy, but Vader is anything but and is more machine than man at this point.) It's one reason Luke was so bad at getting a grasp on his powers in the beginning, because he wouldn't let go of thinking and just accept feeling. Jedi feel. Pjay . This will also explain why she immediately got a good grasp of the Force in Star Wars: Episode 7 – The Force Awakens after just having learned she can tap into it. And how good do you think OT wedge or vader is compared to Poe? Or Leia to Finn? Luke didn't seem to have combat experience as seen in the totooine cantina when that alien made him nervous. Emperor Palpatine said Anakin Skywalker, who was willed to life by the Force, could be more powerful than any Jedi. It's okay that Rey is super competent and powerful. It was literally throwing people across entire rooms it was so powerful. With that being said, we have compiled a list of 25 Star Wars characters, both canon and Legends that are more powerful than Darth Vader. Rey is fooled handily by Snoke. Magic! I feel like if she was trained as a child she would be as powerful as Anakin. Article from comicbook.com. Nor should it be. We have the training, the dream sequence in the cave, and so forth, with Luke teaching instead of Yoda, though the impish Jedi Master makes a surprise appearance to help Luke out of his own quandary after Rey has left. Luke showed true lightsaber combat art and form. WARNING: The following contains spoilers for Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, in theaters now.. For decades, debates have raged which side is more powerful than the other in the Star Wars Universe. 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She wants to turn Kylo Ren away from the Dark Side and thinks she can because they share some kind of Force connection. It was only his son, Luke, who could stand up to him. John Boyega was responding on Twitter to an article about a Star Wars comic that seemingly showed Rey to be more powerful than both Anakin and Luke Skywalker. It Shatters Our Star Wars Nostalgia, 'The Last Jedi' Does One Thing So Much Better Than 'Game Of Thrones', Here's Why You Shouldn't Believe All This 'Last Jedi' Doom And Gloom. He tells her in The Last Jedi that he's only seen one other person with such power, and that's Kylo Ren. Never. She actively taps into his abilities and consciously or subconsciously takes that knowledge with her. But people make it because Rey could fly the Millennium Falcon; because she mind-tricked a Storm Trooper; because she fought off Kylo Ren; and apparently because she, uh, mistakenly flew to Snoke's ship on a fool's errand to turn Kylo Ren, failed at that and almost got killed until Ren saved her and then fought one of Snoke's guards while Ren fought off the rest and only barely managed to escape with her life. She doesn't "beat" him, but she doesn't lose to him either. I think Rey is better at controlling the force then he was. The Rise Of Skywalker's twist on Rey's heritage has echoes of the infamous "Khan" twist in director JJ Abrams' Star Trek: Into Darkness; namely, it's more of a twist for the audience than the characters.Luke had true reasons to hate Darth Vader, the man had killed Obi-Wan Kenobi and tortured Luke's friends, so discovering the truth hit the young Jedi personally. Luke went on a very typical Hero's Journey, from farm boy to galaxy-saving hero in the course of three films. Having that magical power enables our heroes and villains to do outlandish, unbelievable things because it's magic. Rey, as daughter of Luke, when she is a Jedi Knight, will be tier 4, like Anakin and Luke. Kylo Ren/Ben Solo, who was nicknamed the Jedi Killer, showed a similar unwavering strength until Rey showed up in his life and made his powers look like child's play. She may not currently be… Rey had grew up in a bad part of the galaxy and beat a weakened kylo. And her journey won't be the same one as Luke's. © 2021 Forbes Media LLC. he blew up a death star and deflected that training probe like a pro while blind folded. That will be so cool to happen because Rey is already more powerful without a training than Ren who have years of training. There's still no explanation of how he learned his lightsaber skills since nobody was around to teach him. How does that work? See, she's such a Mary Sue that she even realizes she needs some training! In any case, Luke puts up a pretty good fight even though he isn't fully trained, something Yoda warns him about. She was shown using the mystical energy to propel herself out from the vacuum of space and back into the Raddus after Kylo blew her wing apart. Without any training. Without any training. As a "raw Jedi", she would be tier 6, like Luke was in Empire. She realizes she has powers at this moment but I also think when she goes inside Kylo Ren's head she gets more than just his thoughts. Well sure, he lost but he lost to a highly skilled Sith with no wounds slowing him down. (Though obviously Snoke is incredibly powerful, too, but I don't know if Luke ever encountered Snoke in person.) Before Kylo Ren, now grievously wounded, fights Rey he has to fight off Finn who puts up a pretty decent fight for a non-Force user. We also know that Rey is much more powerful than Luke. It doesn't. Rey? One of the things I hear over and over and over again to back up this argument is that Rey doesn't have any training, so how could she be this powerful/good/skilled in the Force? Everything from the space ships to the amazing aim of all the good guys and terrible aim of all the Storm Troopers is incredibly unrealistic and that's okay! We see how good she already is with her staff, and then Luke gives her some training on-screen and, we are left to assume, some off-screen also. In a lightsaber fight, Rey stands no chance at all. The Force works in mysterious ways, and that's a good thing. She used a mind trick against a stormtrooper on Starkiller Base. She trusts Rey and knows she's a talent the likes of which the galaxy has never seen before. (Broom boy at the end of The Last Jedi uses a Force pull to grab the broom but I think he does it without realizing, kind of like you blink without meaning to and never notice it unless you consciously pay attention to blinking. Rey faces Kylo Ren, who is admittedly wounded, but should be more than a match for someone who has never used a lightsaber before. It would be reasonable to assume Rey would suffer the same fate. Don’t make me destroy you. First, the vision Rey had when she touched Luke/Anakin's lightsaber. Luke by a long shot imo. No other Jedi had survived. But remember, although Luke had piloting experience we don't know that he ever flew an X-Wing and we know very well that he never flew one in formation with rebel fighters. Perhaps Rey is more alert to the power of tradition than Luke. On the other hand, the other Skywalker twin, Leia, never truly reached the same strength as her brother or her father.… Luke vs. Darth Vader: Who Is Stronger And More Powerful? The one I saw included a sample size of Reys life on jakku, that life involved hitting robbers with a stick. Just before this, Kylo Ren easily took down Finn, who has spent his entire life in combat training, and was not suffering from a substantial wound like his opponent. I think the big difference is their mindset. The gist of my argument is pretty simple. 7 Weaker Than Yoda: Exar Kun She's not doing it all on her own and she doesn't even understand or realize why, but we know the Force works within you---actively, not passively, something greater than any of its users. She learned to harness the ultra-rare Jedi power of healing, as well as defeating big-baddy Darth Sidious. The Boards Are Now Reopened For Business: READ THIS: your ability to post here depends upon it..See the new rules thread here.Bans can and will … One shot, one kill. Then moved some rocks. In 2015 when The Force Awakens came out, and now again in 2017 with the release of The Last Jedi, one point of contention keeps rearing its ugly (lazy, boring) head: That Rey is a 'Mary Sue' because she can do everything perfectly and everyone loves her. (More on this and where it leads him in The Last Jedi later.) I think she is more powerful than Luke or Anakin was. Luke Skywalker destroyed Darth Vader and bought Anakin Skywalker back from the dark side. Actually Luke beat him only because Vader was in conflict and didn’t really want to defeat him, he wanted his son on his side. Partly it's due to her having flown a ship in the past, but mostly it's because of the Force. They're not able to even finish the fight. If rey seemed more powerful than OT Luke, I am absolutely sure that it was intentional. So Rey COULD possibly have potential to be the strongest. Fans of the Jedi Order have vouched for the Light Side whereas lovers of the Sith have made it abundantly clear the Dark Side cannot be stymied and will always find a way to return, ergo … But, she is old and has no master to teach her. More powerful than Yoda, Luke or even the one prophesied to bring balance to the Force, Anakin Skywalker. We also know that Rey is much more powerful than Luke. He loses a hand but he survives and goes off to get more training, though I'll point out that all of his subsequent training was off-screen and took place on his own in Obi-Wan Kenobi's hut on Tatooine where he read the ancient Jedi texts. It guided him. Luke was an "I can't" type of person and struggled to overcome that. Stop over-analyzing it to death and you'll enjoy the movies more. First of all, much of Rey's actual training came before the start of The Force Awakens. We also know that Rey is much more powerful than Luke. According to Luke Skywalker, Ren was far more powerful than Rey, but Rey's powers were quickly growing. That's how she knows how to mind-trick the guard (though again, I think that was meant to be a funny scene, not a scene we all argue about because we're so obsessed with calling Rey a Mary Sue.). Gosh what a terrible movie that was for not adhering strictly to realism!). Maybe he tripped some wire or opened some door. He tells her in The Last Jedi that he's only seen one other person with such power, and that's Kylo … Even luke and ani needed training, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. With 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' just around the corner, we chat with star Daisy Ridley about which 'Star Wars' characters are more powerful than Rey. How did Harry Potter talk to that snake in the first book/movie? No, however if Rey is this powerful inexperienced, imagine how powerful she would be once she's trained. Yeah so he shoots Kylo Ren with it right before he chases Finn and Rey out into the snowy forest. Count how many replies to this mention "training.". It was only his son, Luke, who could stand up to him. From there, Rey does two things the rest of the film. That's important. Weaker - The Rest Of The Jedi High Council. It all depends on what criteria you want to use to judge the two characters. Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own. 2582 posts Member. ... blades with his opponents as he demonstrated with Rey. Who actually saves the day? I'm okay with that. The whole "Rey leaving" thing is what's important, of course, since it's exactly what Luke did in Empire Strikes Back when he learned that his friends were in danger. Rey and Kylo Ren aren't like the past Jedi/Sith in that they're incredibly powerful for some reason. But that's a story for another time, because the equally silly #NotMyLuke arguments need to be addressed as well. As for Midichlorians - they were created. She doesn't do this because she knows she has the Force, she does it because she can. SHARE TWEET. She's a badass and that's okay. I have to say Luke was the more powerful at his current state as he is still living but no individual outside of the expanded universe had more influence on the galaxy than Darth Sidious. John Boyega was responding on Twitter to an article about a Star Wars comic that seemingly showed Rey to be more powerful than both Anakin and Luke Skywalker. Mix of Series spoiler he blew up a death star and deflected that training probe like a pro while blind folded. Commence the fan-theories! Remember, the Force is all around us, in everything. It is very easy to pick things apart in star wars and say why something could not or should not be. Rey is easily hoodwinked in The Last Jedi despite being the most Mary Sue character of ALL TIME. John Boyega says Anakin Skywalker is still more powerful than Rey ‘Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker’ star John Boyega has some thoughts about the most powerful Jedi ever By Herb Scribner @HerbScribner Nov 2, 2019, 12:00am MDT If rey seemed more powerful than OT Luke, I am absolutely sure that it was intentional. Yoda could… 283 posts Member. It's also important to recall several other massively crucial details from that scene. Watch: Daisy Ridley on Which ‘Star Wars’ Characters Are More Powerful Than Rey by Haleigh Foutch December 6, 2017. Not everything in The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi is spelled out or included in dialogue because the filmmakers rightly assumed audiences would be able to make some inferences and assumptions on their own. Luke is a Skywalker, one generation removed from someone born of the force. Rey is kind of like a new Luke, and like Luke she's able to do a lot of stuff really well thanks to the Force. He must embrace a … We see the montage and hear some words but we don't know everything that it imparted in her. Where was the lightsaber training!? If Rey will become a sith she will be unstoppable. But Rey didn't start out a farm girl, she started out as a tough-as-nails survivor. It was he that created Darth Vader in the first place. He then scores a hit on vader who was in perfect physical emotional and spiritual health in empire strikes back without ever really having light saber practice before. Luke Skywalker seems awfully afraid of Rey’s raw power in Star Wars: ... “I think power is a good thing,” she says in the video before admitting Rey was more powerful than Anakin. No, we aren't watching the same movies. It's the reason for all kinds of things in the Star Wars saga, and yes it's a magical power and kind of cheating but that's the story we're talking about, not some realistic science fiction movie where normal rules apply. This took place before The Force Awakens, but it's incredibly simple to infer it from what we do know about her, much like we have to infer that Luke somehow trained off-screen before Return of the Jedi. ), One thing is certain: We don't need to talk about midichlorian counts anymore. Now, keep in mind this theory isn’t saying Obi-Wan is packed to the gills with midi-chlorians, hence he is number one. This weakens and slows Kylo Ren further, giving Rey even more advantage in the fight. Okay, so that's all well and good but surely Rey needed some lightsaber training to beat Kylo Ren, right? Luke trusts his feelings, not his training, in order to blow up the Death Star. December 10, 2016 7:34PM. In the end, the fight is ended because Starkiller Base is blown up and a huge gorge opens up between Kylo Ren and Rey. In any case, Rey goes to Ahch-To at the end of The Force Awakens to get training from Luke. You may opt-out by. “There is no escape. Again Rey so far has zero flaws and more power than the others. 2 Can Defeat: Kyle Katarn All Rights Reserved, This is a BETA experience. This is where the entire Rey-is-a-Mary-Sue argument falls apart into a million tiny, stupid pieces. The only person that should have a higher potential than Luke is Anakin (although I'd believe Leia being equal or slightly higher.) I didn't realize you just meant general fighting experience unrelated to force, I get it now! We can leave some things up to mystery and guess work. Jan 6, 2018 - Since her debut in The Force Awakens, Rey has been at the center of many Star Wars debates, with The Last Jedi both solving some mysteries while creating all-new ones. However, he was able to do all of this because of the Force. Once the prize Jedi Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader was born out of hate, jealousy, rage, selfishness, and ego. This is a space fantasy, after all. Luke trained for weeks, Rey just was a natural? She also beat a force user trained from birth by none other than the Jedi master Luke skywalker. Rey saw a powerful vision through the Force where Obi-Wan Kenobi spoke to her. It’s … The Force is the point. Was Supreme Leader Snoke more powerful than Emperor Palpatine? I also hope she continues to be developed as a character, and is given more struggles to overcome and perhaps even fail at because, as Yoda himself said: "The greatest teacher, failure is.". Though Luke Skywalker was said to have bested her in an expanded universe story, there really isn’t a clear way to completely defeat Abeloth, as she is a force entirely separate and altogether more chaotic than any single Jedi. She also beat a force user trained from birth by none other than the Jedi master Luke skywalker. If you want to level the Mary Sue critique at her, you kind of have to level it at the entire Star Wars franchise, because it's filled with heroes and villains who can do impossible, magical things that normal people can't do. We actually get to see a bit of an Abeltoh-like being in Solo: A Star Wars Story. When I point out that Luke had literally almost zero lightsaber training when he fought Vader in Empire Strikes Back, people point out that he lost. Rey could also be more powerful if she is Rey Random and has been chosen by the Force itself. She shoots at bad guys from the gun seat in the Millennium Falcon, now piloted by the more experienced Chewbacca, and she moves rocks in a wonderfully funny call back to her description of what the Force is to Luke earlier in the film. She places herself in grave peril and barely makes it out alive, and only survives because Kylo Ren saves her from Snoke and then helps her take down Snokes guards. Replies. 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